GCP958 Knockoff's Knockoff
Type: Traditional | Size: Micro | Difficulty: | Terrain:
By: Phoenix2001 @ | Hide Date: 06/11/2005 | Status: Available
Country: United States | State: Colorado
Coordinates: N38° 53.089 W104° 56.574 | Last updated: 08/30/2019 | Fav points: 2
                   

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Here's another viewpoint on a ridge above Waldo Canyon and revenge for all the other Knockoffs. *** Smile ***

*** As of June 22, 2018 Waldo Canyon Trail is NOT open to the public and the parking area along Hwy. 24 is blocked off. You will need to use your navigation skills to get to the cache. Ignore the reference points given until the trail is open to the public. ***

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One way to do this cache is to park at the Waldo Canyon trailhead (N38 52.879 W104 56.967) on Hwy 24 and take the Waldo Canyon Trail to a trail junction at N38 52.882 W104 56.288. When you leave the Waldo Canyon Trail, the first 200-300 ft. is steep with gravel so boots might be helpful. This hike is about 1.6 miles one-way and about 930 ft. of elevation gain. This is the easy way and on trails, straight up the hill is the hard way (note that the "easy way" is NOT an easy hike).

The Waldo Canyon Trail is very popular so the parking area fills up fast in summer. Since this cache is up a ridge be aware of the possibility of afternoon thunderstorms. It is a hot trail on a hot day, so take plenty of water.

It is a good idea to bring your own pencil or pen (BYOP).

Rattlesnakes are primarily down on the flatlands but have been spotted while hiking the Waldo Canyon Trail (rare) so be careful where you put your feet, hands, or sit down.

There are easy ways through the scrub oak and there are harder ways. Watch out for sharp points on yucca and cacti.

The coordinates 504953 4303997 (UTM) are an average of 36 readings with standard deviations of 1.8 and 1.9 meters respectively.

The opening in the outer shell goes down so it doesn't fill with water. The lid of the inner container goes in first so it will be up for best weather seal and the duck tape goes last to give people a handle to pull it out of the outer shell. Please note the position of the cache and return it as found unless it doesn't match the previous description. Thanks!

Some might rate the difficulty at 3.5.

Don't forget to log your DNF's. That's part of the fun. ** smile **

If you leave the trail at a bend, you can get to the cache with minimal contact with the scrub oak and other vegetation. Also you can proceed up the trail a short distance and curve around to the cache with minimal contact with the scrub oak and other vegetation; however, it's more circuitous and not as obvious how to get around the rocks.

See "Hiker's Rest Stop" for Geocaching "Additional Waypoints" and as mentioned above.

Here are some hints with a simple encryption (note the type) that can be decoded in the field:

Container hint type 1:
Hs'r z 35ll ehkl bnmszhmdq vhsg zm ntsdq rgdkk sgzs'r mns ltbg kzqfdq.

Camouflage hint type 2:
Gr'q lmr mpeylga.

Type of hide hint type 3:
Fq zxk yb pbbk tfqelrq jlsfkd xkvqefkd prze xp olzhp lo pqfzhp. Vlr exsb ql illh colj qeb zloobzq xkdib ql pbb fq.

02/10/2019 By YamaGypsy
This one took a bit to find. Finally resorted to a paf to make the find. Last cache for us today. Wind was picking up so we were ready to head back. Sl, thanks!

08/25/2018 By Kerewin0430
Found on a beautiful day of hiking and great conversation with gampa&gamma! I've been meaning to explore the Waldo Canyon area for a while, and today was the day. My mom was unexpectedly in town for a little longer than anticipated, so she joined us, too...for an excellently tiring hike that ended up being longer than expected, as well (and uphill on the way back, even)! I thought we were only going for 4 (or maybe 8 caches if we were feeling it), but we got to GZs for 10! Along the way, my mom decided that she'd finally get her own geocaching account for all the traveling she does, too. We have a convert, haha! Gampa's eagle eyes spotted this one; thank you for placing this cache!

08/25/2018 By gampa&gamma
We enjoyed an incredibly beautiful Colorado day of hiking and caching with Kerewin0430 and her mom. This one took us awhile----great cammo! Replaced as found. Thanks!

07/13/2018 By RPieperCO
Thanks for the lonely cache!!! Today I needed to get out as I've been feeling pretty down. I've been eyeing these caches since the are "Opened" back up. I made a few quick stops before heading up the mountain. I approached all the ones I found today from below at one of the pull offs just past Waldo Canyon. It was a steep climb but I managed a good time up and around a large loop to find 7 and 1 DNF. This was my third stop and took much longer than the previous one. I went round and round this boulder, taking a break to climb the nearby boulder for some pictures. Then back to searching. found it after one more loop around! ha ha ha!! Signed the log and replaced as found! Awesome find! 6 years lonely and survived the fire!
6 years and survived the fire!

06/22/2018 By Phoenix2001
I checked this cache June 20, 2018 and it survived the Waldo Canyon Fire (Yeaa!!!!). The general area is now open to the public but the Waldo Canyon Trail is still closed to the public. The parking area along Highway 24 is blocked off with concrete dividers.

So do not try to access this cache by the traditional route. I accessed it by coming down what is left of a social trail from Rampart Range Road. If you try to do it from Cascade, make sure you park in a legal fashion. Some parts of the social trail are intact and some overgrown, blocked by downed trees, or not visible at all.

06/16/2018 By Phoenix2001
I am still around, just haven't looked for caches in a long time.

I had three caches above Waldo Canyon. Hiker's Rest Stop II and Knockoff's Knockoff were not in a location where they were likely to burn but a water dump may have sent them down the mountain.

Howard's Rock, which you just archived, I suspect burned up. After the Forest Service opened the area for access, I went up to Rampart Range Road to hike down to the cache. The road was closed so I couldn't get close to an access point to hike down to the caches. One geocacher tried to get to Howard's Rock from Cascade but the parking there is not the best. You could get the locals mad.

Rampart Range Road is now open for the summer. I have intended to hike down and check all three caches. I just haven't had a chance yet.

Regards,

Phoenix2001 (Dan Anderson)

06/16/2018 By Heartland Cacher
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06/16/2018 By Phoenix2001
As of June 2018, Waldo Canyon Trail is closed to the public.

The area around the trail is now open to the public. I plan on checking whether or not this cache survived the fire. I hope to get to it soon, which means before July. I will access it from Rampart Range Rd. taking a route that was once a social trail.

Waldo Canyon was closed to the public from June 2012 (the fire) to Oct. 2017. Don't plan on any trail to get to the cache.

05/16/2014 By MenInTrees
Been a year is the area open yet?

06/02/2013 By Phoenix2001
As of June 2013 this location is closed to the public.

06/02/2013 By HighCountryAdmin
Please check on this geocache and update the status. Some areas that were previously closed due to the Waldo Canyon fire have been opened back up. You can find the latest map here: http://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts/psicc/alerts-notices

Thank you,
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Volunteer Geocache Reviewer

06/24/2012 By Phoenix2001
This cache is in the vicinity of the Waldo Canyon Fire. Disabling until area is available and I can check on cache.

05/28/2012 By blue skies
Cache in good shape...TFTC