GC7B8DP Virtual Cache Engineer Pass
Type: Virtual | Size: Virtual Virtual | Difficulty: 2.5 out of 5 | Terrain: 5 out of 5
By: K Trackers @ | Hide Date: 08/24/2017 | Status: Available
Country: United States | State: Colorado
Coordinates: N37° 58.455 W107° 35.121 | Last updated: 08/30/2019 | Fav points: 0
Takes more than an hour  Scenic view  Not Recommended at night  Cliff / falling rocks  Dangerous area  Parking available  Motorcycles  Quads  Off-road vehicles  Special Tool Required  Seasonal Access 


At 12,800 feet, Engineer Pass (along the Alpine Loop Scenic and Historic Byway) is located in the San Jaun Mountains of south-west Colorado. Although not as well known as other passes in state; the Engineer Pass Virtual Cache will reward you with scenic views of pristine Alpine environments, offer interesting facts about the area, add a nicely rated cache to your profile all while offering an Alpine Adventure you will remember for years. Additional areas of interest are abundant along the Alpine Loop, but beyond the scope of this cache description. In order to maximize your preparedness, enjoyment, and safety; the cache description is divided into the following sections:

1. Logging requirements

2. Planning Your Trip

3. Engineer Pass Description


Logging Requirements

Within twenty feet of the posted coordinates you find a interpretive and Engineer Pass sign. In order to successfully log the cache, you must complete two tasks:

1. Send the CO the answer to following question: Please name the seven significant mountains and peaks visible from Engineer Pass, as listed on the interpretive sign. In your message, please include a reference to “GC7B8DP Engineer Pass,” your geocaching name, and the correct answers.

2. With the Engineer Pass sign visible in the photo (see picture at the top of the cache description), take a picture of you, your GPS, and / or your vehicle and post it in your log entry to prove you were physically at the posted coordinates. Unlike other cache types, the new generation of virtual caches are authorized to include a photographic requirement. This task is not optional.

Any log entry that fails to follow these instructions or meet both logging requirements will be deleted.


Planning Your Trip

The 5 Terrain rating for this cache is based upon vehicle requirements, terrain, weather, and distance challenges that all cachers will have to overcome to reach the posted coordinates at this remote location.

Assuming weather conditions permit; you will need a four-wheel drive, high clearance vehicle to reach Engineer Pass and drive the Alpine Loop (your “special tool”). The road is rated as moderate, but could be safely driven even by novice drivers who are careful. The most significant challenges will be narrow roads with steep drop offs and tight turns on switchbacks. Difficulty will be increased during certain weather conditions. If desired, there are a number of videos online that show a “drive though” of the route to the pass so you can personally assess the difficulty prior to departure.


The normal open season for the Alpine Loop is May through October. Prior to departure check the weather and road conditions, and if the road is open. For those unfamiliar with Colorado Alpine terrain, weather can dramatically change in a short period of time and with little warning. Hail or snow may be possible even in the summer months. Referencing climatology data can help you prepare for possible extremes. There are various sources to obtain this information, but some links are included below if you wish to use them. Due to its remote location, you may have to rely on data from the nearest location available.

1. Forest Service Road Status

2. Lake City Local Trail and Road Conditions

3. Climate Data (Silverton)

4. National Weather Service Current Weather (Red Mountain Pass)


Begin your journey to Engineer Pass by staging from one of the three closest towns: Lake City, Ouray, or Silverton. Each town has refueling options for your vehicle. Anticipate at least a 4 – 6 hour (round trip) drive depending upon your driving skill, route, and weather conditions. This time does not include meeting the cache logging requirements or any sightseeing / side trips you may want to do while in the area. The Forest Service has made a pamphlet that contains a map with safety, regulatory, and travel tips for the Alpine Loop.

Alpine Loop Motor Vehicle Summer Travel Routes



Engineer Pass Description

During the Pleistocene era (approximately 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago) repeated glaciations took place along the Animas River Valley. The glaciers shaped the topography as it is today. Despite ice layers over two thousand feet thick, Engineer Mountain still protruded and became what geologist call a nunatak.


Sometime between 1300 – 1500 A.D., the Ute people migrated to the Four Corners region and pressed on to enter the Rocky Mountains, Engineer Pass and beyond. The Ute that settled this region was the Weeminuche Band. They eventually became the modern Ute Mountain Ute Tribe, one of three federally recognized tribes of the Ute Nation. The Ute did not permanently settle near Engineer Pass, but migrated seasonally between the mountains and lowlands to hunt and gather. In 1765, Juan Antonio Marķa de Rivera was the first European to make contact with the Ute during his exploration of the region for Spain. With the acquisition of Horses from the Spanish, the Ute were able to penetrate farther into the mountains and better establish many of the trails that become modern roads in the area. By the early 1800s, fur trappers and traders from the east began to enter Ute territory. A succession of treaties with the United States reduced Ute territory and forced greater numbers onto reservations. The area containing Engineer Pass was acquired in the 1873 Brunot Agreement, with the first US Army survey team arriving that same year.


Engineer Pass and Engineer Mountain received its name from this 1873 survey team. The survey was sponsored by the Army Corps of Engineers, headed by Lieutenant E.H. Ruffner. Topographic assistant H.G. Prout was the first person to ascend the nearby 12,968-foot summit. Prout originally wanted to name the peak "Mount Ruffner," but LT Ruffner declined and decided to name the mountain in honor of the entire Army Corps of Engineers. In 1877, engineer Otto Mears (who also built the nearby Million Dollar Highway) built Engineer Pass and connecting roads. This toll road was a major route connecting Silverton, Animas Forks, Ouray and Lake City. During the mining boom of the late 1800's, Engineer Pass provided a easier route for miners, supplies and materials to be transported. The Pass was critical for the economy and livelihood of hundreds of people, and still is with the tourism brought into the area by the Alpine Loop.

Virtual Reward - 2017/2018

This Virtual Cache is part of a limited release of Virtuals created between August 24, 2017 and August 24, 2018. Only 4,000 cache owners were given the opportunity to hide a Virtual Cache. Learn more about Virtual Rewards on the Geocaching Blog.

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9 Logs: Found it 9  

Found it 10/02/2018 By Liomin79
Enjoyed the Alpine Loop grabbing caches. Who do I message the answer to?

Found it 09/07/2018 By KJKlock
I dropped Jenn off at Stony Pass this afternoon so she can do the last 93 miles or so of the Colorado Trail. I'll pick her up next Saturday at the end of the trail near Durango.

On my way back to Colorado Springs, I stopped to find a select few caches, including this one.

This is our first cache find in Hinsdale County, and that was a driving reason that I decided to make the side trip to this cache. The other reasons included the fact that it's a "new" virtual cache and it offered a great excuse to take my Jeep off-road. The views along the way were just an awesome bonus.

I began the off-road adventure off of US 550 between Ouray and Ironton. I probably could have made the 18 mile trip in and back out in about 2 hours, but I got behind a Toyota Tundra that was VERY unsure of itself on the way back down and ended up taking a total of 2.75 hours.

Required answers have been sent.

Favorite point awarded.

TFTC!

Found it 08/25/2018 By WingsAndTales
COpackrat and I spent a great week in the San Juans this year and left the area over Engineer Pass. It looks a lot different than the photos on the cache page with no snow in sight in late August. I'm sure that will change soon since the tundra was already showing some fall color. Thanks for enticing me up a different road this year. TFTC

Found it 08/25/2018 By COpackrat
WingsAndTales and I stopped by on our way back home from some fun hiking and caching in the area. Thanks for the new virtual!

Found it 08/11/2018 By Team TJ
First, I hate the geocaching messaging system. I'm pretty sure I sent half a dozen messages each time I hit enter.
Second, really cool virtual. I've been here several times and I don't think I ever really got out to read the signs. Photo attached!
TFTV

Found it 06/26/2018 By chattycathy55
WHAT A FANTASTIC VIEW!! Thanks!!

Found it 06/25/2018 By lgf
Had lunch nearby and decided to grab this virtual before heading down. Windy and cold at the top, but grabbed the info and pics and on our way. Thanks.

Found it 05/13/2018 By LolosDream
FTF with Pathfinder33 and Aden the geocaching hound. Pathfinder is sending our answers. Out of work early today and off we headed to attempt this FTF from the Lake City side. Word on the street was the road was passable from that side, unlike from Ouray where jeeps were still having to winch lengthy portions through the snow. What an amazing view, so happy we took this trip. Thank you for the chance at an amazing memory and photo opportunity!!!

Found it 05/13/2018 By Pathfinder33
FTF with LolosDream and Aden the Geocaching Hound!! This cache has been months in the making. All the planning and waiting to get an opportunity to get up here, and hoping someone doesn't don some snowshoes, or grab a snowmobile and make their way up to grab this one. I first stumbled upon this cache in October when I was offered a job in SW Colorado and got to looking at caches. I found there was a virtual that was showing up as having no logs in a search I did, upon further investigation I realized this was a new virtual, and that it had been snowed in. That meant that I had a shot at it, even though I was in Wyoming. I took the job and moved to the area in February, and still no FTF log. I had been e-mailing the Ouray Road and Bridge group requesting updates on the road to this pass every other day or so since they started road clearing. They will be glad I am not sending them and new e-mails now! We were up on Ophir Pass and Corkscrew Pass yesterday when we heard from some of the locals that you could make it to the top of Engineer Pass from the Lake City side, as they had plowed the road all the way to the top on that side (which I wasn't told in an e-mail....). Some other locals we know had gone from Eureka to the pass, but had spent several hours winching and blazing a trail to get there. Knowing that LolosDream and I were going to set out alone, and not wanting to be stuck up there in the cold, we made the extra drive from home up and around to Lake City. We arrived at the bottom, took some pictures, got the cameras all set up and headed up the road. From Lake City it is a 4,100 foot elevation gain over the 17 miles to the top (most of that coming in the last 3 miles). Beautiful views all around on this one. The road was washed out in one place making it a pretty good verticle climb you had to make right on one of the switchbacks. Lots of water near the top making the rocks in the road very slick. But we made it!! At the top there was a very impressive snowdrift (See photos), that made my old CJ7 look like a micro machine. While at the top taking pictures and video for my geocaching YouTube channel, Aden decided to chase after the numerous Marmots that call the pass home. Once we had plenty of pictures and video footage, we loaded up and headed back down. Thanks for the new virtual and adventure!